Comments on: Christmas Season versus Sabbath Rest https://parables.blog/christmas-season-versus-sabbath-rest/ Sat, 26 Sep 2020 07:23:48 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Anonymous https://parables.blog/christmas-season-versus-sabbath-rest/#comment-2148 Wed, 08 Dec 2010 06:14:17 +0000 #comment-2148 Dear Newwine and others,
The kids and I watched the videos (from the link I posted) and were very blessed. One daughter said,'How simple it all is'. Yet with xmas it is complicated. Ok so the tree is an evergreen that 'symbolises' YESHUA's everlasting quality. Blahhhhh. GOD HIMSELF has provided all the symbols we need (are we adding to HIS Word?). If we cannot lay down xmas, then what else can we not lay down?
Peace,
Deirdre

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By: Anonymous https://parables.blog/christmas-season-versus-sabbath-rest/#comment-2147 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 20:52:16 +0000 #comment-2147 As I continue to weigh the steps Father is leading me to take regarding this issue this year (as with most things, a gradual, non-legalistic, individual process of eye-opening, leading to my desiring to please him more), the ONE BIG QUESTIO from brother Joseph's post that keeps rattling around in my brain is this:

How could it be that this symbol is at once pleasing to Father AND also Mr. Obama (see here, for example)… i.e., simultaneously celebrated by non-believers and commercial establishments for crass and cynical purposes AND also holy and sacred and central to the purpose of Y'shuah, his birth, life, death and resurrection.

I have read several well-argued defenses of Christmas traditions, including trees, but have so far have found none which argue from anything more than permissibility.

I don't know about anyone else, but when my kids start pressing me for details on what they can get away with, it breaks my heart, signaling to me that they care more about how far they can push my patience than about any desire on their part to know and please me.

I suspect it is much the same with OUR Father in Heaven — i.e., not so much a matter of salvation or sin but of sanctification.

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By: Anonymous https://parables.blog/christmas-season-versus-sabbath-rest/#comment-2146 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 01:52:34 +0000 #comment-2146 This may encourage some folks, Mr. Herrin about the feast days. Five very short videos.
http://evidenceforchristianity.blogspot.com/2010/07/jesus-was-born-during-feast-of.html

Peace,
Deirdre

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By: Anonymous https://parables.blog/christmas-season-versus-sabbath-rest/#comment-2145 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 05:52:55 +0000 #comment-2145 Dear Mr. Herrin,
Do you think by having idols in our lives/homes, gives (like) territory to the enemy? I have often wondered if celebrating these pagan days of xmas and easter give a vamped up power source to the devil. I know this is not coming out right in my writing. I hope the Spirit can lead you. Also is there any Scripture you could point me to that would back up such a statement?

Thank you,
Deirdre

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By: Joseph Herrin https://parables.blog/christmas-season-versus-sabbath-rest/#comment-2144 Sun, 05 Dec 2010 03:53:00 +0000 #comment-2144 Dear Anonymous (?),

Your comments regarding abstaining from all holidays and commemorations, such as birthdays, contain thoughts that I am sure others have pondered as well. I thank you for writing and sharing your thoughts with us.

Personally, I have never been one to celebrate civil holidays such as Memorial Day, Veteran's Day, Labor Day, President's Day, etc.. If the government, banks, schools, and various employers want to give their workers a day off on specific days, then that is their prerogative.

I do believe that Christmas and Easter are quite different matters. None of the other dates and commemorations are related to Christ and Christianity. I am reminded of the words of the apostle Paul:

I Corinthians 5:12-13
For what have I to do with judging outsiders ? Do you not judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, God judges.

There are things within the domain of Christianity, and things which are without. If a government wants to commemorate the sacrifice that its citizens made in its various wars, then they have been granted the authority to do so. They will give an account to God for their actions. However, things within the assembly of believers, should be judged by the assembly of believers.

I do not believe that it is the Father's will to move the date which the people of God commemorate the sacrifice of His Son from Passover to a day reserved for the worship of a pagan fertility goddess. That this has been done is very blatant, for the day still bears the name of the goddess (Easter, Eostre, Ishtar, Astarte, Ashtoreth).

From ancient times Yahweh has revealed that He is a jealous God, and He repeatedly judged Israel when they mixed the worship of Yahweh with that of the pagan gods and goddesses of the Canaanites.

Can Christians commit the same transgression today and Yahweh be pleased? Bunny rabbits, flowers, grass, and Easter Eggs are all symbols of fertility derived from the ancient worship of the fertility goddess. Should the saints merge these things in with the types and shadows of Passover, and their fulfillment in Christ?

The same arguments could be made for Christmas. There is no Biblical basis for the holiday at this date. It is derived from the observance of the Winter solstice and Sun worship.

Sometimes the argument that "my heart was right" rings a little hollow when we become aware of the truth. What are our true motives for continued observance of these things? Is is really to honor God?

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By: Anonymous https://parables.blog/christmas-season-versus-sabbath-rest/#comment-2143 Sat, 04 Dec 2010 03:38:40 +0000 #comment-2143 I understand that each one here is opposed to christmas. But I would ask, if we are looking to be set apart from this world. Why wouldn't we just stop celebrating everything. There is a lot of worldly emphasis on birthdays, veterans day, etc… Why would we celebrate a person turning a year older or a person who puts their lives on the line every time they step into a war zone. Are these pleasing to our Father. Is it possible for one to celebrate christmas as we do a persons birthday, the 4th of July, or going to an amusement park?

As stated in Gods word I believe that God looks at a persons heart and motives. So if the motive is just to help people,or to enjoy their family, what is the difference in that as oppose to the like days mentioned above.

Maybe making a kids eyes light up because thier mom or dad couldn't provide them something they needed, a person getting well needed cloths,or what about the shoe boxes that go over seas to help needy people. You may say they can do this anytime. But I would ask if this time of year gets people in the giving mood and the motive is being kind and doing unto others what is wrong with it.

Again I know that God tells us not to love this world. But is having all fun as we would doing something we enjoy (the 4th, veterans day, memorial day, going to the amusement park, etc…) always considered being apart of the world. Some don't look at the magic or the mixture of Christ and the pagan christmas the same.

I believe you have to let God weigh the heart and be the judge if a persons motives are worldly or not.

In Christ!!

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By: Anonymous https://parables.blog/christmas-season-versus-sabbath-rest/#comment-2142 Thu, 02 Dec 2010 08:06:21 +0000 #comment-2142 Each believer should make up their own mind concerning which holidays to celebrate. Everything that we do should be done unto Christ. We are not under law but under grace.

"And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." I Collosians 2:13-17

God Bless You!

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By: Joseph Herrin https://parables.blog/christmas-season-versus-sabbath-rest/#comment-2141 Wed, 01 Dec 2010 16:55:11 +0000 #comment-2141 Dear Sister,

You have asked an excellent question, and one worthy of patient consideration.

A woman is called to honor the authority of her husband. I believe that it is the Father's will that she always maintain an attitude of respectfulness and honor, even if the husband is walking in disobedience to the word. (I Peter 3:1-2)

This does not mean that the wife must participate in a festival she perceives to be pagan, and filled with idolatrous practices and symbols. I would refer you to a chapter from the book "Sarah's Children" that speaks to such situations.

http://www.heart4god.ws/id248.htm

May you be blessed with peace and understanding in these days.

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By: Anonymous https://parables.blog/christmas-season-versus-sabbath-rest/#comment-2140 Wed, 01 Dec 2010 14:59:11 +0000 #comment-2140 I too compromised year after year at the urging of many 'christian' brethren and family. Until last year when I decided I will not participate in what is totally inconclusive (meaning there was too much of a mixture of 'spirituality' and fantasty). Besides that the LORD reminded me of a verse that says,"you are a slave to whatever has mastered you". I always wondered why people couldn't put down xmas. Why? What law of GOD says you have to observe this day with your time, money, spirit and energy? None! Unfortunatly my husband who professes Christ insisted on observing this day. It was a constant source of trial for me because while I tried to love others, he still accused me of being a 'scrooge'. I'll keep my name anonymous out of respect for my husband (for none of us has arrived yet to full understanding…).

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By: Anonymous https://parables.blog/christmas-season-versus-sabbath-rest/#comment-2139 Wed, 01 Dec 2010 06:37:24 +0000 #comment-2139 What is your advice for a married woman whose husband and children still wish to celebrate Christmas? What should be her response, when she cannot out of clear conscience enjoy this holiday any longer? Thank you!

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By: Joseph Herrin https://parables.blog/christmas-season-versus-sabbath-rest/#comment-2138 Wed, 01 Dec 2010 03:03:53 +0000 #comment-2138 Dear JMD,

I am happy to answer your question. I was raised in traditional Baptist churches and had a Christmas tree in our home every year as I was growing up. This tradition continued in my home after I was married and had children of my own.

It seems to have been the will of the Father for many of His sons and daughters to dwell in Babylon for a season. Yet, like Zerubabel, Yahweh is now calling many to depart from Babylon that they might journey to Zion.

It is important that when we hear the call that we answer with obedience. Many Jews remained in Babylon when the 70 years of their judgment there were up, as it was a comfortable and prosperous place. Because they did not depart, they became partakers of the judgments that fell upon Babylon in later years.

May you be blessed with peace and understanding in these days.

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By: Anonymous https://parables.blog/christmas-season-versus-sabbath-rest/#comment-2137 Wed, 01 Dec 2010 02:34:56 +0000 #comment-2137 Thank you. A very thought provoking article. I do have a question and it is personal so you don't have to answer it if you chose not to. Did you always feel this way?

Thank you,

JMD

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